What would you do?

What do you do with an employee who has been with the company fo many years, has a history of warnings for performance, the last was 9 months ago, off probation 3 months and performance is even worse than before? She is currently on vacation and there are numerous issues that have come to light (numeraous she wsa talked to about before vacation) and at least two that are direct violations of company policy. We are a small company and in addition to the poor performance this person is being really negative in the ear of another employee. The President of the company wants her gone. She has proven she CAN perform the job well when she wants to, but the pattern is to be warned, get better then slide down the scale worse. Even with encouragement and recognition. We have documented and documented, and each time it is the same issues she is failing on.

If you did terminate would you go through each item again and tell her or would you just tell her the level of performance will just not ever get the job done. I mean it is like whipping a capable mule every day.....


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  • Do you have a progressive discipline program - so many strikes and you are out? Do the previous warnings/counselings state that if the situation is not corrected it may result in the tremination of employment? Is she the only ee that has received so many warnings and is still employed? So many questions... If you do not term at this time, I suggest that you at least do one last warning that clearly spells out what the consequences will be if the behavior/conduct is not immediately corrected and if the behavior/conduct should return to unacceptable levels the company will have no choice but to term her employement immediately. Bottom line... how much longer are you/the company going to allow this behavior to continue?
  • I think you have three problems.

    1. A discipline system that is not producing long term improved behavior and not moving poor performers out of your organization.
    2. A supervisor who is tolerating a pattern of poor performance.
    3. An employee with a pattern of poor performance.

    I think you need to address all three in that order if you want to be on the safe side.
  • Paul,

    I think you are right and I want to address all three. I also think she is/has been playing a bit of a game with us, but bottom line is there should have been motivation to move her out or she hsapes up sooner. That is what I am hoping to do.


  • Yes the previous warnings address that if it not corrected it could result in termination. Was the mistake being that she was on probation for 6 months after the warning and it should have just been this will be a permanent improvement not temporary? Yes she is the only employee that has received this many warnings and is still with the company.

    We don't specifically say you will be warned 3 times and you are out, but we do say you will be warned and given the chance to turn your performance around. Those warnings clearly state that if the performace is not change it will be ground for further discipline up to and including termination.

    I guess my question is why warn one more time, it will only be a temporary fix? Why NOT just fire her this time? We don't want to tolearate her any more but I think I am seeing the problem we created with the probation, she only really had to perform better during that time.
  • You say you have documented all the warnings. Now her performance is worse than before. In addition, she has violated company policies.

    This is what I would do. While she is on vacation, I would gather all her personal belongings. Upon her return to work I would sit her down and tell her that she has won. I would tell her that you surrender, have given up. You might even try waving a white hankerchief. Tell her she is terminated effective immediately for poor work performance. If you are inclined you could also state the two violations to company policy. I would then hand her the box of belongings and escort her to the door. Amen.



  • It always seems that things are brought to light when an employee is on vacation. You mentioned that you have a history of warnings, and a history of improved performance after receiving the warning, but then after time, the poor performance returns. I would make sure you have all of those items well documented. If so, this is another occurrence of the same type of behavior. I would sit down with her after she gets back from vacation, review the items that are of concern, and hear her side of the story. If it is indeed another case of poor performance similar ot the other situations, I would then terminate her for her poor performance.
  • She never has a story, only that she will do better. She never elaborates on why these mistakes are taking place, only that she will change it. We question her, does she need more instruction, training, time, really try to get to the issue and she always says " I don't know". Then miraculously with no training, instruction or time mgmt , she can do the job properly, so you tell me what the problem is, because I can only come to it being her own motivation and attitude toward the job. Her basic personality is a negative person who likes to gripe about others, and yes she has even been talked to about that. I just think there is only so much a company can do to help people succeed, but in the end if they don't have the desire to also, you are beating your head against the wall.
  • You crack me up! I think this is gong to be the general plan. It has gone on too long and you cannot over and over again, remind a person to perform up to standards.

    Unfortunately , we are a small company and so many duties are done for many different people. I am covering her job at the moment and when I start inquiring with those she does work for, they now express their dissatisfaction. I have tried to fix this in the past, but I guess I did not do so well. The things she has had problems with that she does for me, I had reported to her supervisor after talking to her directly, 3 months ago, so this was not unknown. The policy violations I investigated last week, and confirmed them. I think the general "putting up with " her was due to others not wanting to take over the tasks they had assigned to her. What I don't understand is tolerating those tasks being done consistently incorrectly when she has proven she knows how to do them or not done at all , and then tried to be covered before vacation. Her lack of doing the job properly has cost us about $7000 in the last month and I tell you no matter what kind of company you are, you cannot afford to lose that kind of money.

    I'll be packing her things before she comes in, and she is done here. Moving on, and learning from it, I HOPE!
  • If its any encouragement, we had a similar employee here. She could be competent but her negative attitude was an issue. Like your employee, she would improve for awhile and then slip again. There were other problem areas too (an extremely messy office, wasting time online).

    A few months ago she decided to resign. Personally, I was happy for her. She was stuck here. This environment could not produce in her the motivation (or whatever it was) that she needed to improve.

    After she left, we hired in-house and filled the position. The new ee has less experience but is taking online courses to catch up. The difference is amazing. The office is clean, the atmosphere is positive, and work is getting done. Plus, we are discovering other areas the previous employee let slip.

    All to say, you are in a difficult spot but the time and effort it will take to move this employee out of your organization will be worth it down the road.
  • Thanks Paul, that does help. The things you have mentioned are exactly what we are going through here with this employee, and each day finds new things that slipped through the cracks. They are unexcusable things like not following up on receivables and not sending invoices to customers on support contract renewals. This lack of income effects our company and she knows how to do the work, has been warned now several times on these very same things. Adding that on top of the policy violations, which are pretty serious, she is done. She comes back tomorrow and it will be her last day.

    It brings up a good question though, is the organization failing by not keeping this type person motivated, or is it a symptom of long term employment with one company, or ....I have all these questions about what I can do to prevent this in the future swiriling in my head. I'd like to help everyone be successful, but they also have to want to be successful themselves. It seems to me a lot has to do with the basic personality and I have never been successful in changing that . Anyway, I'm a bit discouraged, but interested in all input.
  • [font size="1" color="#FF0000"]LAST EDITED ON 11-07-07 AT 12:47PM (CST)[/font][br][br]I agree with others on packing her up and letting her go upon her return. I would suggest making a list of the reasons you are letting her go - those that she is aware of either verbally or in writing as well as those problems that resulted when she went on vacation, and review them with her. If she signs the document acknowledging that the contents have been discussed with her, that's great, if not, still place the document in her file as part of her termination and make a note that you reviewed them with her. Good luck!
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