Termination - what to tell staff

We recently (today) had to terminate the employment of a VERY well liked manager when we discovered that he had been falsifying commission reports to the tune of approximately $15K over the past year.

Our staff is stunned by the news of his departure. From the fact that it came suddenly, they can figure out that we let him go against his wishes.

He is now calling staff and telling them that we laid him off and that we are doing a re-org and they should be prepared to see more changes coming down the line.

Help! How do we balance his right to privacy with our need to reassure our workers that their jobs are safe. We also don't want them to think we've gone nuts by terminating a seemingly great employee for a minor reason. It's always been our policy not to discuss the reasons for anyone's departure.

Are we within acceptable bounds to tell people that his employment was terminated due to gross misconduct? If so, then how should they respond to him when he calls?

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  • I would not tell them he was terminated for gross misconduct. Although since he's already in touch with staff, it appears this is kind of like closing the barn door after the horse has escaped, but I would send out an email that said something along these lines: "We regret to announce that John is no longer with the company. Contact ______ for attention to any matters that John may have been working on." and if employees press you for a reason, respond with "just as we respect your right to privacy, we respect John's right to confidentiality and don't discuss such matters." If you are asked outright if what he is saying regarding reorganization is correct, look them right in the eye and tell them "no, that is not accurate." Eventually, the rumor mill will die down, but it sounds to me like the damage has already been done.
  • Parabeagle gave a great answer. You might also add to what he said (if it's true), "Contact ______ for attention to any matters that John may have been working on until we are able to hire his replacement." That should tell everybody that it was a termination without actually saying it and will end rumors that this is part of a reorganization if you're replacing him.

    Margaret Morford
    theHRedge
    615-371-8200
    [email]mmorford@mleesmith.com[/email]
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  • We face this situation often at our store level with employees terminated for theft. However, I feel strongly that the terminated employee's rights to privacy must be maintained. I have the managers tell the employees that they cannot discuss the employees departure since that employee has rights to privacy and confidentiality just as they do. I think you can say that there is nothing about this peron's departure that will impact them.

    Elizabeth
  • I agree totally with the answers given by PB and SF. It is expected that an employee terminated in this sort of circumstance will, out of a sense of self protection, broadcast some scenario that may not resemble the truth. No harm. Follow the advice given and say no more. Don't overreact. Once you make that same rehearsed comment to two or three people, it will spread through the organization and the employees can reach their own conclusions, which, typically, will be pretty accurate. And when they reflect later, they will admire your professionalism. A less professional response would be to smile and lift an eyebrow or perhaps tell the inquirer to 'ask someone in accounting, that's where the problem was discovered'. This will be a real growth experience. Let us know how it works for you.
  • We had a similar situation last year. A long term manager was fired and the department employees were really upset...until they had to spend weeks helping turn up false records, etc.

    Because we have sensitive areas that are for 'employees only' and have had terminated employees show up in a branch location and request to use the internal computer system, I put out an e-mail to department managers when someone leaves the company.

    A manager called to my attention that they can usually determine from my wording if the person quit or was let go. "Joe Doe is no longer with the company" vs. "Joe Doe is leaving our employment. We wish him the best in his new postion."

  • Call me the odd one here, but I disagree. His right to privacy went out the window when he decided to embezzle from the company. In any organization, discipline has to be used not only to punish but also to deter.

    I'm sorry, but the truth must be told. It should be handled in a courteous and professional manner, but it need not be sugar coated.

    Gene
  • Sorry Gene, but you're wrong. One of the primary obligations on HR personnel is to keep their mouths shut. The quality of the job we do depends upon people knowing we can maintain their privacy. Another obligation is to keep the company out of harms way. Unless he has been found guilty in a court of law, releasing such information could result (particularly in this age of frivolous lawsuits) in a lot of aggrivation. Finally, in cases like this where some one has to clean up the mess, the word will probably have gotten out. But, it will not have come from HR.
  • You bring up a good point. The wording used can help the remaining employees draw their own conclusions about why he left, the concern now should be the rumors he has left behind.
  • Whatever,
    I am sorry that you disagree. After reading your post I feel you are the one who is wrong. We have a duty to be honest and forthright with our employees. This is especially true given this scenario where the termed manager is spreading misinformation.

    Lying, witholding or othewrwise sugar-coating to employees about the real reason for the departure says that your organization values protecting the "image" of a dishonest manager more so than ethics and integrity.

    I'm not saying publish every separation in the company newsletter. What I am saying is that given the facts stated in the scenario, honesty is the best answer. A short but sweet answer like "unfortunately Mr. Manager commited an act of dishonesty which created an irrevocable breach of trust. In keeping with our code of ethics and company policy, his employment has been terminated."

    Believe me, your employees value honesty and will have more respect for you and your leadership when they see this instead of an BS lie that appears to be "protecting" one of the "good ole boys" ala Enron and Tyco.
  • Everyone who is fired (terminated is too nice a term) will try to protect their image by denigrating the employer. I can see Mr. Manager in the above scenario saying "You see. the company (and in particular Ms.....) was out to get me. Now they're saying I'm a crook. I'll see what they say when I get a lawyer." Of course, the company then has to reply to this statment and so forth and so on.
    I don't believe in lying. I'm not advocating lying. What I am advocating is silence. The rumors will die down. Mr. Manager will be forgotten. And I, by being silent, will hopefully still be someone who people will come to because they know I will keep their if confidences and will be straight with them. I
  • Have you not started pressing charges? This is a major felony. Surely you are not going to let this individual go on his merry way?

    If your company steps up to the plate and presses criminal charges, the rest of your story for the other EEs will be told in the courts. Your answer to them, is something like, "This matter is under investigation by the authorities. It is not appropriate for us to comment further while this process takes place."

    Innocent until proven guilty is our way and you would not be presuming guilt, nor would you want to prejudice the DA's case by spreading false information.

    The newspapers will take care of that for you and the EEs can read about it all they want, but it will not have come from you.
  • Would agree with the posts that indicated not to disclose the reason why he is no longer there but would send the message about who to contact about projects he may have been working on. People are smart enough to pick up what likely happened (voluntary vs involuntary) based on the fact that it was a surprise.

    Address the question that's causing the concern - what people are really upset about is the statement he made which is making them worry about their own jobs. If this isn't an issue then communicate it to people. Otherwise they will spend too much time talking/thinking about this instead of concentrating on the job at hand.
  • In a previous life, my boss had anyone caught stealing taken out in cuffs. HR did not like it but it sent a strong message without having to say they were a thief.
    It is a catch 22............... usually there are others around who know the real reason for a termination.......and word gets out.
    If you have someone stealing from you, and can prove it, always press charges with the police.

    My $0.02 worth.
    DJ The Balloonman
  • We had a unexpected termination because a manager continued to visit porno sites after being warned. He was a well-liked family man and was terminated suddenly. Employees, who asked, were simply told he violated a workplace policy. It died down quickly.
  • How about this?

    Please note that Mr. Manager is no longer employed at the company. Suzie Q will be assuming Mr. Manager's duties until we can find a replacement.

    On a completely unrelated matter employees are reminded not to falsify commission reports to the tune of approximately $15K per year. Happy Holidays!
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    I like that Shawn, I like it. x:7
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