Life after HR? In trying to imagine what that would be like for myself, I think all it would leave me qualified to do is sit on park benches, tossing bread crumbs to birds and muttering to myself. x;-) Good luck to you!
Mwild, that's the picture I have of myself posting on the forum. I am not certain that I am tossing crumbs, but the park bench and the muttering seems to resonate.
MWild31 - you may find life after HR from something that you did and enjoyed while in HR, so maybe it isn't life after, but life redirected. For me, it was teaching English to Spanish speaking supervisors and employees, so teaching English is what I am going to do - in Mexico part of the year and in California part of the year.
I've always suspected that I was a transplanted New Yorker, minus the accent and the fact that I've never lived there x;-) Gillian 3, you're right, life redirected after HR - I like it. In that case, it will probably have something to do with teaching.
I don't recall any of the other less conservative voices on this forum ever EVER saying we were ashamed of our country and no longer wanted to be Americans. A conservative Republican near and dear to me had the same reaction (You need to go live in New Zealand) one night during a heated political argument - where I never said a blessed thing even remotely close to not wanting to be here. Why is that the reaction to differing opinions? I don't get it. If I'm wrong about the above, please point me to a thread....
Here's an earlier post of mine that attempts to explain.
Don D, MS
07-01-04, 04:30 PM (CST) 7053 total posts
36. "RE: Apology to the Terrorist" I certainly wouldn't suggest that someone who disagrees with Bush or anyone else's politics should 'get out of the country'. My airline departure comment was in reference to those who bemoan actually BEING American and detest everything about America and want it totally turned into a Socialist Republic. Those plus the Alec Baldwin's and Barbra Strut-sands who promised to leave the country if the current president were elected. Those are the ones the planes on the tarmac are idling for. See, THAT'S how it works.
And let me add this: It's kinda like that employee who constantly bitches and finds fault with every single policy you have at work and is always complaining about your procedures yet offers no suggestions and tells you every day that it's a stupid place to work and they hope it fails. The kind of employee to whom you say, "John, why don't you find employment elsewhere?"
I truly believe that anyone who thinks that America is so horrible should understand there are no chains holding them down in this country. They are free to leave.
Ollie North gave a very moving speech yesterday talking about the 56 men who formed the Declaration of Independence. Men who put their name, their honor, their fortunes, everything on the line for this. And NOT ONE of those 56 ever waivered from that commitment.
For them, and for the young men & women who are now bravely following in their footsteps, and 1 brave, battered, but unbending commander in chief I say God Bless America.......again!
This thread got hijacked somewhere around 'life after HR...'. I'm not sure there will be meaningful life after HR for any of us unless we get this terroist stuff sorted out - and I don't have a clue how to do it, because our beliefs and theirs are soooooo different. I have, in other threads strongly associated myself with attacking the terrorists where they live rather than wait for them to come here again - whcih they will. But, this Abu Ghraib thing really drives me crazy. Of course, no one of us really advocates torture, and if real torture was condoned, then it should be dealt with. On the other hand, as Don and others have said, sometimes some ugly stuf has to happen for the common good, and to protect the innocent,- and sometimes, that impacts on their innocents (not mispelled). But, the sleep deprivation, loud noises, threats, give me a break. Every new recruit went through that his/her first few days in the mil. Some, with jobs involving sensitive information, went through a lot more of it in actual training for the eventuallity of capture. Truth is, those guys arn't giving up useful information when just asked nicely. And while it may not be right, it sure is easier to ignore some of the rules when the other guy makes no pretence of caring what the rules are, or, worse yet, flaunts for the world to see his absolute disdain for the rules. While there may not be a difference, it seems to me there is if we are not trying to subjegate them, but to free them. So, I don't buy the comparisons to the crusades or the commies or the nazis, and if you don't understand the difference of the why and what we're doing, then you simply don't live in the real world. The 'ends never justify the means' is, in the real world, simply a meaningless platitude in today's world. If ther is to be life after HR for any of us, we've got to start tending to it now, and understand, and, accept, it is an ugly job. Paraphrasing J. Nicholson, the truth isn't going to change, just because you can't handle it! Have a great 4th, and celebrate your infinite freedom, but recognize that there is no gurantee it will be celebrated in the future if we do not do the ugly, hard, dirty work of preserving in right now!
I disagree, the do-nothing UN made us go alone. And by the way, we are not alone. There are more coalition members for this conflict that in Bush Sr's conflict.
[font size="1" color="#FF0000"]LAST EDITED ON 07-02-04 AT 12:21PM (CST)[/font][br][br]Sorry to have highjacked the thread – I don’t usually do it, but sometimes in a conversation, you can get sidetracked – thank you for bringing it back on course. Talking about the “real world” have you read or heard the reports of the coverage of this war through means other than American TV? They are not positive, in fact most are down right vicious, incomplete, slanted and bent against America and/or the news is ignored – remember the lackluster coverage in the Arab speaking newspapers about the beheading of Nick Berg and others? There are 6,377,975,684 people in the world, 293,027,571 hail from the United States. I’m no mathematical genius, but I can add and subtract and how 6,084,948,113 people think of us is important to me. Granted, some of these folks think we are pretty great, but others, billions of others, don’t. Every single time we flake out on our reasons for the war in Iraq or reports of prisoner abuse perpetuated by our military personnel ‘leak’ out, I fear we slam the door on these folks viewing us in the ‘right’ light - forever. I worry that we might be dealing with the situation right now, but how will it affect us and our relations with other countries in the future? I don’t see a lot of countries jumping on our bandwagon and demanding the terrorists or terrorist nations to stop – and our attempts to white-wash or minimize the abuse only heighten the anger in other countries. I reject the sentiment that we can reject the rules when it suits us in our pursuit of what we believe to be the greater good. Plain and simple, we look like hypocrites when we pursue that line of reasoning and there are too many of the billion whom are only too quick to point it out. I’ve lived abroad when I was in the military, I loved serving in the military and yes, every time the Star-Spangled Banner is played, I’m one of those saps (affectionately stated) that gets tears in my eyes, I love this country, but, I’m greatly concerned about our direction and international policies. To those that feel quite differently than me on this forum, good for you, IT is a free country & God bless us all! Happy Independence Day!
[font size="1" color="#FF0000"]LAST EDITED ON 07-02-04 AT 03:08PM (CST)[/font][br][br]I have a suggestion to those in uniform charged with the Abu Ghraib fiasco. Get some representation from the ACLU and use the "because I could" defense. This is the HR-de-har-har thread right?
It is the HR-de-har-har thread so in that sense, if the ACLU doesn't work out, maybe Dick Cheney's attorneys can represent them and use the "felt better after I had done it" defense. x:D
Rush Limbaugh, who I try to catch at least 30 minutes a day, just said that the Polish military has confiscated WMDs in Iraq. My understanding is that it's nineteen missles that supposedly contain serin (sp) gas. But, hey, I'm sure this can't be true since it was reported by a right wing conservative Republican lunatic instead of CNN. And, too, nineteen is probably an insignificant number. In order to qualify as WMDs, there probably would have to be at least a thousand or so. Oh, and they were probably just left over from '91 or some ancient year. This surely can't provide partial validation to GWB's expression of concern for WMDs. Naah, let's move on. There were no WMDs
[font size="1" color="#FF0000"]LAST EDITED ON 07-02-04 AT 05:05PM (CST)[/font][br][br]Yes, but hey! It ain't many, 23+19, why that's only 42. That wouldn't reach Israel and would only kill half a million locals. Depends on what the definition of the S on the end of weapons is. And we probably planted them like Easter eggs so the Polish guys would find them.
And, the United Nations has not defined 'mass'. And, if any of you have a good definition of the word 'destruction', we need to analyze that and run it by the Democrats and the Red Cross and the ACLU and perhaps get a 9th circuit opinion.
Serin? What proof do you have that those instruments measuring that are accurate? Let's take a look at the calibration.
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Don D, MS
07-01-04, 04:30 PM (CST)
7053 total posts
36. "RE: Apology to the Terrorist"
I certainly wouldn't suggest that someone who disagrees with Bush or anyone else's politics should 'get out of the country'. My airline departure comment was in reference to those who bemoan actually BEING American and detest everything about America and want it totally turned into a Socialist Republic. Those plus the Alec Baldwin's and Barbra Strut-sands who promised to leave the country if the current president were elected. Those are the ones the planes on the tarmac are idling for. See, THAT'S how it works.
And let me add this: It's kinda like that employee who constantly bitches and finds fault with every single policy you have at work and is always complaining about your procedures yet offers no suggestions and tells you every day that it's a stupid place to work and they hope it fails. The kind of employee to whom you say, "John, why don't you find employment elsewhere?"
I thank you for your response.
I truly believe that anyone who thinks that America is so horrible should understand there are no chains holding them down in this country. They are free to leave.
Ollie North gave a very moving speech yesterday talking about the 56 men who formed the Declaration of Independence. Men who put their name, their honor, their fortunes, everything on the line for this. And NOT ONE of those 56 ever waivered from that commitment.
For them, and for the young men & women who are now bravely following in their footsteps, and 1 brave, battered, but unbending commander in chief I say God Bless America.......again!
Have a great 4th, and celebrate your infinite freedom, but recognize that there is no gurantee it will be celebrated in the future if we do not do the ugly, hard, dirty work of preserving in right now!
It is either them or us, here or there.
I prefer there and I prefer them.
Enough said.
And it didn't have to be us (essentially alone).
But Bush made it that way.
And, the United Nations has not defined 'mass'. And, if any of you have a good definition of the word 'destruction', we need to analyze that and run it by the Democrats and the Red Cross and the ACLU and perhaps get a 9th circuit opinion.
Serin? What proof do you have that those instruments measuring that are accurate? Let's take a look at the calibration.