>But think Rockie, how that enables her to bond with the oxen and hogs >customers might bring in for Vet treatment, all of which also have >suitable nose rings through the cartilege between the nostrils. She >must be very sensitive to want to carry her vocational empathy >quotient to that level.
Hey Don! Never thought of it that way...makes me have a whole new respect for nose rings!
The nose ring serves the same purpose as the ear ring. Its a decoration. I think most tatoos are covered. We don not ask our employees to cover them if they are at their cubes, however if they are meeting a customer they are required to cover them. We have a unique situation though, we have a highly secure facility and no one is allowed in the building un-aaounced. In addition, if they are here for a visit they must be escorted at all times.
So, does that mean that your facility handles the occasional visiting customer sorta like they did 20 something years ago when a male entered the girls' dorm? Someone was required to shout; MAAANNNN ON THE HAALLLL! I can see you now, shouting CUSTOMER IN THE AREA! I also assume your facility is not a bank, professional office or other facility open to the general public or one that is concerned about impressions, face to face customer service or competing with others in the community for business. But then if you were not concerned, why would one require covering of tatoos, prohibition of facial ink or allowing the staff with them to roam, uncaged in only restricted areas?
We have 2 sides to our business, new construction and repair. I have turned down job applicants on the repair side because of tatoos up and down both arms. It does not project the image we want, and because of our customer base we have had issues with subcontractors in the past that some older female clients would not let in as they were concerned over the appearance. I have no problems with tatoos personally, in fact I will be getting one shortly x:D but we do not consider those with excessive tats for the repair side. If they are qualified I will hire them for the new construction side without hesitiation as there is not the same issues of customer interaction. My $0.02 worth. DJ The Balloonman
In the past I have found that most employees that want body piercings on display are doing it as a way to be unique. For most ees, over time this seems to fade and eventually they stop wearing them.
Tatoos are not so easily removed. Have any of you seen the lizzard man? He is from this area. He has had his entire body tatooed in a scale pattern, his toung split and steel pellets placed under his skin above his eyebrows. He has made the national circuit on several talk shows. Never the less, he has said that he has had problems finding a job.
>In the past I have found that most employees that want body piercings >on display are doing it as a way to be unique. For most ees, over >time this seems to fade and eventually they stop wearing them. > >Tatoos are not so easily removed. Have any of you seen the lizzard >man? He is from this area. He has had his entire body tatooed in a >scale pattern, his toung split and steel pellets placed under his skin >above his eyebrows. He has made the national circuit on several talk >shows. Never the less, he has said that he has had problems finding a >job.
Can't imagine why!!! He sounds perfectly charming.
We do not allow any public access. You need a code to even get in the front door to the lobby. Even if you get that far you are not allowed to access any other part of the building without another code and an escort. We have armed guards posted at every door. Very intimidating for applicants. Needless to say there are no unsolicited applications. Our customers are not allowed in most of our buildings for confidentiality purposes. Once your in the building we have a relaxed atmosphere.
Funny you say that Don. Just an FYI for ya... I graduate college 2 years ago from a small private school in Ohio and one of the running jokes among my classmates is the dormatories strick rules on males in the halls unescorted (and restricted during certain hours) and the male janitor (who was well into his 70's) had to announce himself upon entering the doorway to each floor. Honest to God he would say "Man on the floor!" as he walked down the hallway! Just thought you may want to know that the tradition is alive and well x:-)
My daughter is now in an apartment at school; but,back when she was in the dorm, she told me that for a man to be in the hall, he or somebody else must announce his presence. However, it was acceptable for a man to be in the room or suite of a 'friend girl', as long as he logged in down at the desk. He could be in her room but not in the hall? I guess I'm slow. But, as to your post, I bet it gave that 70 year old man a great charge to know he must announce himself as 'man on the floor'. Think what a downer (no pun intended) it would have been for him if nobody even cared that he was on the floor........
We could visit our female friends in their dorm rooms, but we had to sign in at the desk, and announce ourselves (yes, Man on the Floor). If we went into the girl's room itself, the door had to be fully open. We also had to have both feet on the floor at all times (except when walking, of course).
NONE of those rules applied in our dorms. Guess who visited whom?
>If we went into the girl's room itself, the door had to be fully open. >We also had to have both feet on the floor at all times (except when >walking, of course). >
Based on my research and training, I don't see either of those as presenting any particular obstacle whatsoever.
I can just imagine all those old blue-haired dorm matrons we used to be haunted with if they were faced with today's dorm rules.
Back to the Lizardman for a second, I read an article somewhere very recently, maybe Time magazine, and tongue splitting is definitely a new trend. Why, I don't know, because the article said their speech is definitely impaired, and eating and drinking have to be relearned. Better add that to your policies also.
I have a new question for you. If you allow earrings, do you allow lobe stretchers which are earrings that stretch the hole of the piercing. I recently saw a guy that had these holes the size of a quarter. You you allow that, it is a form of earring!?
As I said above, our policy allows for two piercings per ear. I would take exception to a hole - I've seen them and I think that I would definitely have a case. May be pushing it a bit, but I think my seniors would not like that at all.
Although I might agree with you, you may want to be careful about allowing one type of earring over another. At my last employer we had a dress code policy that stated that men had to wear shirts with collars but women could wear shirts that didn't have a collar. During a DOL audit the auditor informed us that this was sexual descrimination, if women were allowed to wear shirts without collars, so were men. Although we were not fined and never heard from the EEOC, it was requested that we change the policy. Just something to think about.
[font size="1" color="#FF0000"]LAST EDITED ON 05-28-03 AT 11:43AM (CST)[/font][p]I understand what you are saying. However, I'd make a real case for the definition of a piercing over a hole, and an earring over a bolt lodged in one's ear.
And on another note, a DOL Auditor has no authority to expound on discrimination in the workplace issues such as sex discrimination. That would be the role of an EEOC Investigator following a charge.
I'm sure you are right. This particular DOL auditor, however suggested that if we didn't change our policy, she might be required to report it to the EEOC. She was attempting to put her nose in all sorts of places it didn't belong.
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>customers might bring in for Vet treatment, all of which also have
>suitable nose rings through the cartilege between the nostrils. She
>must be very sensitive to want to carry her vocational empathy
>quotient to that level.
Hey Don! Never thought of it that way...makes me have a whole new respect for nose rings!
My $0.02 worth.
DJ The Balloonman
Tatoos are not so easily removed. Have any of you seen the lizzard man? He is from this area. He has had his entire body tatooed in a scale pattern, his toung split and steel pellets placed under his skin above his eyebrows. He has made the national circuit on several talk shows. Never the less, he has said that he has had problems finding a job.
>on display are doing it as a way to be unique. For most ees, over
>time this seems to fade and eventually they stop wearing them.
>
>Tatoos are not so easily removed. Have any of you seen the lizzard
>man? He is from this area. He has had his entire body tatooed in a
>scale pattern, his toung split and steel pellets placed under his skin
>above his eyebrows. He has made the national circuit on several talk
>shows. Never the less, he has said that he has had problems finding a
>job.
Can't imagine why!!! He sounds perfectly charming.
I graduate college 2 years ago from a small private school in Ohio and one of the running jokes among my classmates is the dormatories strick rules on males in the halls unescorted (and restricted during certain hours) and the male janitor (who was well into his 70's) had to announce himself upon entering the doorway to each floor. Honest to God he would say "Man on the floor!" as he walked down the hallway!
Just thought you may want to know that the tradition is alive and well x:-)
April
NONE of those rules applied in our dorms. Guess who visited whom?
>If we went into the girl's room itself, the door had to be fully open.
>We also had to have both feet on the floor at all times (except when
>walking, of course).
>
Based on my research and training, I don't see either of those as presenting any particular obstacle whatsoever.
I can just imagine all those old blue-haired dorm matrons we used to be haunted with if they were faced with today's dorm rules.