Experience VS. Education

Here's a great hypothetical for a Friday:

You have two job applicants applying for the same position. Every thing on their resume is equal execpt to things: experience and education. One applicant has a BS degree with several years experience and the other applicant has no experience but has obtained a master's degree. All other things equal, which one would you choose to fill the position?

What would YOU do?

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  • First, I think your hypothesis is wrong. You say everything on the two resumes is equal except education and experience. If you removed education and experience from both resumes, what's left to be equal? Unless the job requires a masters level, knowing no more about the situation than you provide, I would opt for the one with experience, assuming the experience is in the same field as the opening. The masters, I assume, brings little more to the table other than the fact that the additional sheepskin exists. If you're worried that some oversight agency might challenge you based solely on the education, there's not much chance that would happen.
  • There is no situation, and I am not worried about an agency. Just thought of the question this morning and wonder what the great people on the forum thought.
  • STILL NEED MORE INFORMATION! What is the demand of the position for which one is being considered? What is the psychology or philosophy of management as it pertains to the value of a degree verses experience? Given that a degree is held in high esteem by the current management/leadership structure, I would select the degreed person over the experienced. and vice versa for the experienced as a higher value. In my current position experience is valued as "head and shoulders" above the strength given to having a degree! An education shows you have character to stick to a project to completion. Experience shows you know how to get something done right now! What is more important to the company right now, someone with experience to get something fixed now, or can we wait to fix the concerns and grow with the person with less experience? JUST FOR YOUR CONSIDERSTION THERE IS STILL NO RIGHT ANSWER FOR A GIVEN POSITION DEGREE OVER EXPERIENCE! Pork
  • I'm going to disagree with my cellmate Pork on one point. I don't think a defensible position to take would rest well on what the company's position is on the value of education over experience. The EEOC will eat you alive if you were to say your CEO values degrees so highly that you chose the inexperienced, doctoral degreed white male over the Chinese lady who met all the job's stated requirements and also had 5 years of experience doing it. The EEOC will tell you in this instance that management's view on degrees is about as valuable as a toot in a whirlwind.
  • Dandy don I disagree; the EEOC can not argue with the approach of management on "what makes up the characteristics of Best or Most qualified". Which is always the end result of the decision to hire one person over another. In this case the HR is the one person, who should know the overall make and value of the company, what sells and what has meaning within the company or certain group of leaders. Thus, one can answer or influence the decision on hiring based on "education verse experience". In my now 30 years of HR work I have always pushed forward those candidates that will be seen as most qualified based on my understanding of the company's value system. At the same time I have shielded those candidates from the same leaders, who would back off from a candidate that might be to educated or two experienced and set in their way. These things are subjective and always play a roll. In our current recruiting we have found that a recent Masters level candidate is less likely to get an offer for employment from our current leadership group, because they are to stuck on their personal value. Three out of the last four have come on board and left as a result of having to do to much hard physical work. They did not make it because they were stuck on their person value and self worth because of their education. "I did not spend $35,000.00 to learn how to wipe a hogs butt", which is a task required for artificial breeding. Every manager must know and be able to teach others the proper way of administering AI to standard and under every possible condition. Experience here is definately more important than education. Sorry Dandy Don you can go back to your cell, and I'll stay here and preach! Pork
  • Pork: You're still a babe in the woods with 30 years. I can't seem to get the point across that if the position calls for specific education and experience and you opt to go with some other elusive, emotional rationale for choosing a candidate, to the total exclusion of people in protected classes who were actually qualified, and you offer no other explanation, the EEOC will enjoy you for lunch. x:-)
  • So why bother with employing people with degrees or higher degrees at all if the EEOC would not accept it over experience....?
  • Just my point, I have come to realize the treat of EEOC can be very harmful to those who are honest and professional in doing "the right thing". We HR's must be the professional insiders who understand management and the companies psychology and make the right moves for the right reasons and to "hold off" the indications that there maybe an alterior motive. Just know what works for your company and press on with the right charactistics that your company is needing to fill the team with the "most qualified" be it experienced and/or education.
  • I agree with Pork that it depends on the company's needs at the time of hire.

    I personally have a soft spot for degreed people with little experience. It takes guts (and dedication) to go to school and spend 4 years (in this case 6 or 7) to receive a degree.

    It is definately a catch 22.
  • It also depends on how technical the position is and how the degree is valued for that type of position.

    For example, a college professor with experience and a Master's Degree, probably would not be as in demand, and could not command as high of a salary, as a college professor with no experience, but a doctorate degree.

    On the other hand, if its the type of job where the extra education really won't effect the performance and really is not so valued, go for the experience.

    Good Luck!
  • I have to respond to Renie...where you have a soft spot for the inexperienced with a degree...I have a soft spot for the experienced without ANY degree...

    It takes more guts to work your way up right after high school than to go directly off to college on your parents' dime (usually) and have all your focus be on school. Try working full time and going to school almost full time. Having to switch gears everyday from school to work and manage a career, WHILE GAINING VALUABLE EXPERIENCE that you don't gain in college, takes guts.

    Sorry, like I said...it's a soft spot. Choose the person with more experience!!

    "HR Baby"
    Jen Burmeister
    HR Specialist
    NBPTS
    [email]jburmeister@nbpts.org[/email]

  • I have to agree with Jen on this issue. I worked 40 hours a week, went to college full time, and had a family. That was hard work..but once I got into the "real world" I found out that college didn't teach me near as much as that 40 hour job.
  • My point was that it is a risk to spend four years (that's where the "guts" come in) dedicating yourself to a degree and after graduation throw yourself out in the business world (I don't like the term "real world", you wouldn't say that college kids are in a fake world would you? or maybe you would, I don't know). without a guaruntee that any company will consider you because you don't have work experience. It's a scary feeling, as I am sure not having a degree is as well.

    Most folks these days work their way through school, it is just too expensive not too.

    An ideal person would be one that had both a degree and experience, right?.

    I know many people that have done both, and I don't beleive their is a right or wrong way. It is just natural for most people to side with the person who is more like yourself. We are all narcissists at heart x0:)


  • Just to be sure I'm clear; I do not think its advisable to give weight to emotional factors like how I 'feel' about degrees in general and what I 'feel' it signifies. If the degree is related to the job, fine, consider it along with other factors. But, if the degree has no relationship to bona fide occupational qualifications, appreciate it, but don't let its perceived value sway you. A non-related degree as opposed to a contender who meets the jobs requirements plus has experience......no contest. Good luck explaining to the labor board or EEOC that your hiring decision was based on your own or your CEO's perceptions about the value of degrees in general and that in your opinion, they outweigh experience. I'm surprised one of the attorneys hasn't stated this.
  • Don D, you are right.

    And, by the way, interview both employees - see who "fits" into your culture more. By meeting each person face to face, you will be able to see who will fit the job and culture better. A resume is not everything.

    "HR Baby"
    Jen Burmeister
    HR Specialist
    NBPTS
    [email]jburmeister@nbpts.org[/email]

  • As a person who went straight through school to get my MBA, I hate it that people assume that because I learned something from a book means that I do not have any experience. Granted, there are things that you can only learn by doing it, but there are a lot of ideas, concepts, and skills that you can learn while working on a degree. Additionally, not every company does the same thing the same way. Even little things like answering the phone and using the fax machine are different at different companies. I bring a lot of insight to my current position because I am straight out of school, where I learned new ideas to help my current company grow.

    Like most others here, you really need to look at the position you need to fill and what the company environment is. But, whoever you hire, be sure and have enough time to train them properly. Don't assume that their experience alone or education alone will make them successful.
  • My first post but after reading the question I had to put my two cents in!

    The post saying interview both to see about fit is right on. How an individual "fits in" with the company and it's culture is as important as technical ability. As for degree versus experience, since there appears to be be no educational requirement for this position, I would go with lesser degree and experience. Myself, I had the opportunity to go straight through after my Bachelors degree to get my Masters but opted not to.
    When I did go back, I know that I got much more out of the experience. Instead of having to agree with everything the instructor said, I had 4+ years of real world experience which made for some excellent discussions/disagreements with the instructors, some who had not been out of the classroom in over a decade. Sometimes they came around to agree with me, sometimes I changed my view, and a number of times we agreed to disagree. But without experience, I would not have gotten nearly as much out of my Masters degree.

    Well there is my two cents worth.

    Balloonman
  • I would offer the position to the person who best met the qualifications for the position in all areas and who interviewed the best. We all know that we use our instincts to a degree and I would go with my instincts.
  • Depends on the position and the person, as well as the type(s) of skills testing you've given and how well the people scored.

    There's a great myth about the value of experience. Twenty-something years ago, one of my college professors told me that given the choice between two candidates of equal educational background, he'd take the one who demonstrated the skill level of what the position needed not only at the moment, but also what the position would need to grow into. He said he'd known plenty of people who worked in a field or position for 30 years, but very few had 30 years of experience. Rather, most people had 3 years of experience stretched out 10 times.

    In reality, it basically takes a year to learn a job. One complete cycle. Another year to implement whatever improvements are needed to improve the workflow and productivity of the position relative to internal and external customers. And another year to settle in. The fourth year should be the growth year, either into another position internally or by allowing the individual to use h/her creativity to improve and grow the capabilities of the position.

    Personally, every position I've ever had, I've been hired over people with more experience, as I usually had none relevant to what I was applying. The day after I graduated H.S. I started work as a manager/bookeeper of the local cable t.v. office on the strength of serving as Treasurer for our HS band for 4 months. My first executive position (VP HR) came to me before age 30, and I'd never been totally in charge of an operation of such magnitude. Never handled legal issues, never knew all the labor laws. I learned, though, and quickly, because I was so totally fascinated with my chosen field. I went on to do things on a national and international level, and now I just speak & write on the field. I'm not even 40.

    Every VP I've hired had no experience. They've all been the best performers in their respective positions, because they had drive and interest and were not bothered with ego issues.

    Don't mire yourself in experience. Really think through all the aspects of the position you're hiring for and ask yourself if a degree is necessary (the man who made me a VP had a HS diploma and was the longest serving and most successful president of a financial institution in our region). Three years is the most "experience" you'd need to have anyone step-in in a pinch; otherwise, the most you'd ever need to look for is 12 - 18 months. A radical practice, but when I implemented my theories, our turnover went from 51% to 9% and we went from being a $1 mil average annual growth to growing $10 mil all in only 10 months from implementation.

    Once you figure out what is actually needed for each position, write it down in your job descriptions so you can be consistent and so can your antecessors.

    Hope this helps. If you have any specific questions, I'll be glad to help off-list.






    >Here's a great hypothetical for a Friday:
    >
    >You have two job applicants applying for the same position. Every
    >thing on their resume is equal execpt to things: experience and
    >education. One applicant has a BS degree with several years
    >experience and the other applicant has no experience but has obtained
    >a master's degree. All other things equal, which one would you choose
    >to fill the position?
    >
    >What would YOU do?




  • I have to admit that when I started here, 24 years ago, I had neither experience nor a degree. I learned as I went, and managed to be re-assigned regularly by working hard, going way beyond what was expected, picking the brains of the best and brightest available to me, and being "loyal as an old hound" to quote a prior boss.

    After several years of performing both paralegal and HR work, I went back to school and obtained my degree, while working full time and raising two children. My boss said the degree "was just a piece of paper to show you're qualified to do the job you've been doing for five years anyway". To the Board, it was worth a raise and a new job description, but my duties remained exactly the same.

    Now, when I hire employees, I will take a less qualified employee based on how well I think she or he will fit in my organization. If they are at all educable and have the basic skills I need, they can be trained. If they are not educable and don't have basic skills, I don't hire them. I've seldom been wrong in my assessment and currently have a staff other departments envy. They stay with me in spite of offers of more money and less work because I managed to look for the potential each displayed.
  • I think education and experience are both important. In the real world it is hard to find someone with both and who will fit in the organization. I will go with either one so long as there is potential and he/she fits in with the organization. Is it just me or is any one else having a difficult time finding quality people?
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